Dylan Borland gets candid on Government Secrecy and NHI Intent at Doomer Friday - Psicoactivo #1049

What's up humans and welcome to a new

SQA. Happy Friday everybody. Happy

doomer Friday. Uh it was we were

supposed to do um because we plan during

the week, right? And what happens is

that uh today Sander and uh Sander and

Dan watch Disclosure Day in England

because Dan is currently on tour. He

went to visit Sander and they went to

watch the movie and they weren't going

to be able to uh be on the show. So, we

decided to invite uh Gerb and Rob Jones

and we also invited Andy from That UFO

podcast. We got a pleasant surprise uh

from Mr. Justin who is one of the

producers now I can say that of the

Doomer Friday uh like all the shows and

we were having a really cool

conversation. We started talking about

whistleblower protections and then I

started watching the chat and Dylan

Borland started commenting on the chat

and I thought that due to how sensitive

the situation is and uh it sort of makes

sense that Jeremy Corbel probably

doesn't want for like uh people like

Matt Dylan Grush to be very public you

know and talking about these topics. Uh,

but it seemed like Dylan wanted to speak

with us because um he's been watching

the show. Everybody does. He knows

everybody. He we I got to meet him in

person at contact and he wants to just

speak to the people, you know, and and I

thought I've been trying to get him to

for a while and he always was uh

conflicted about it, but it feels like

something did change because he started

uh just writing to everybody in the

chat. And it took Clint a little while

to realize what was happening. And when

he did, we asked him over and

organically he went on Doomer Friday. So

Dylan Borland was on Doomer Friday and

he was there for quite a few minutes. So

what I'm going to do is I'm going to

play you everything that he said and

then we're going to discuss it

afterwards.

So here it is.

>> Private chat. He's got some thoughts on

this. Um uh don't think my mic is

working. Oh, okay. So, uh Dylan's here,

but he might he might not be able to

join in at the conversation, but he's

just hanging out with us. Um

>> he said we need to add him.

>> Add him. Let's see. He says he's Mike's

muted. I had you up here before, Dylan.

So, you're here, but if you demute

yourself or unmute yourself, you should

be able to

>> combo.

Oh, of course. You know, Gerb, uh a

couple things. I love y'all. Uh pleasure

to be here. Sorry for not being on the

camera. I'm gonna be short and sweet

because I know everybody's after me. I'm

working on HVAC. Uh it's flooded. Um

Gerb, in the future, we need to do like

a year-long exercise where we go through

history because the things you say that

I'm aware of that you're aware of that

you and I you still need to call me

back, by the way, buddy. But uh we we

got a whole like history bachelor's

degree lesson in uh academics to uh go

through this. Pavle, pleasure. Clint,

pleasure. Andy, talked to you earlier. I

hope the gym was well. I love you guys.

Uh, this has been fun. I'm learning a

lot. Uh, Gerb, it's always exciting to

hear you talk because I uh I know where

you're going with things and I laugh to

myself all the time when I hear you

speak, buddy. So, uh, thank you.

>> So, let's do this, Dylan, without

without revealing details or anything.

Uh, I'll call you as soon as I get my

next dang project done, which is in the

next few days, and then I'll plan out a

time that, uh, we can sit down for a

couple hours, up to 10 hours, and and

>> Oh, my man, we're good. Uh, by the way,

thank you for the stellite contact. Uh,

Pavle, I know you wanted me to pick me

up, but, uh, I was dead. I was hunting

Grinches. I was hunting Grinches in

Pioneer Town. Jeremy's going to be

pissed. I'm officially deputized. I can

deputize everybody in California.

Jeremy's going to have a [ __ ] fit. I

said it. But uh no, I miss you guys. I

love you. Uh yeah, man. It was a blast.

It was a blast to be with you guys. I

wish we had more time. The uh magic show

was a blast. So much you guys are

talking about with China and Indopaccom

and AI and technological advancements.

I mean, these are the conversations that

need to be had. I think, like I said

when I was in chat just listening while

I'm working on my house, you know, I

just want to pop in and say hi. I think

since I'm here, I'll say this. I really

hope people don't forget about the past

and present whistleblowers cuz it seems

like a lot of us are going to be brushed

under the rug and I hope people remember

that and that's what we're trying to fix

until we can get restitution and

accountability. You know, Gerb, you

touched on it and I'll be blunt. The

facts are the facts. Uh, crimes were

committed against whistleblowers in the

last six months. It's documented. Jeremy

and George reported on it. Um, you guys

want whistleblowers. We all need

whistleblowers to make this go forward.

We need to support them. So, that's

really it. But I'm just enjoying it,

man. I'm just listening. So, I love

y'all

>> 100%, man. And Dylan, you are a hero.

All of the whistleblowers who have come

forward are heroes. and uh just thank

you for doing what you have been doing

and for continuing to stay with it

despite all of the [ __ ] that you

guys have to put up with because it is

tremendous.

>> Uh

I don't think people really appreciate

it. Jeremy tried Jeremy actually at

contact did a really good job of trying

to flesh that out for people

>> in a way and I think that he really

succeeded. Um

>> Dylan, did you have any thoughts you

wanted to add on the press conference

that uh happened this week? Yeah, I mean

I'm glad Dave is in the position he is.

Dave's busting his butt. He's an E4.

He's got oak leaves. You know, we were

joking about E4 mafia. I have my own

comments. I'll crack my jokes, but uh

Dave's a beast. He's busting his tail.

Berles, it it

I'm glad that this is being held

accountable and I'm glad that you guys

are covering it. And I think without

trying, if you do not cover it in the

public media campaign and you don't try

to reach out people who don't cover it,

you're kind of so um Dave is the man.

Dave is busting his tail. Mike, Jake, uh

Matt, everybody's doing what they can.

Jeremy, Gerb, George, you know, you're

talking about people have been in this

for years. You know, we'll see. I hope

the executive branch takes them up. I

hope Congress actually, you guys were

talking about other congressional reps

and senators getting involved. I hope

they do it. You know, one of the things

that I've been kind of talking about

loosely behind the scenes is Chuck

McCulla called this a constitutional

crisis after the ICIG and Chuck

represented Dave Grush and other

whistleblowers. And I'll leave it there.

But when you go to Seoul and you say

Congress has been informed, this is now

a constitutional issue. People forget

the US Congress by twothirds vote can

override the president. So it doesn't

matter what the executive branch does,

you get twothirds of Congress on board.

They can do what they want. So

>> Dylan, do you have any concern there

about wielding of unitary executive

theory? Because of course Eisenhower and

Truman use just that to to hide away the

programs.

>> Oh. Oh. Oh. Gerb, you and I are on the

same page, buddy. This is why I said we

we need to go and do like an actual

collegiate course on this. You and I are

on the same page. All I'm saying is if

Congress had twothirds majority and they

were serious about restitution and

protection, uh this would be done. End

of discussion. It would be done

>> if if you get rounds and you know Rubio

is now over in the executive, but Rubio

is getting a eight. uh Schumer, you get

all these people on board and say we're

doing this, it's done. Like again, it's

put your money where your mouth is. I'm

not going to criticize them. I know

Berles's busting his tail. Luna and

Burchett and Moscowitz

Moscowitz is awesome. You know, I think

at my hearing he said, in my opinion, he

said the most intelligent thing you can

say in regards to this is Moscowitz made

the comment,

uh, we don't know what the truth is, but

we know we're being lied to. And I keep

telling people, don't look at what is

said and done, look at what isn't said

and what isn't done. And, you know, I

think it's going the right direction.

Dave is a BA from PA like myself and uh

you know hopefully we get there. I just

my concern I think Gerb you know other

people that are whistleblowers that I

don't even know. I think the concern is

is if the toothpaste goes back in the

tube

a lot of people are going to face some

really more difficult times and that's

what Matt and I and other people are

trying to build is to insulate them

from. So yeah, but uh

>> of course they hit it, man.

>> I I don't want to put you in a weird

spot, but you you this did come up at

contact. Can you talk about that

project, the one you just mentioned?

>> Just said the name.

>> You can you talk about Vanguard?

>> Yeah. I mean, I don't want to get ahead

of Matt. Matt and I are doing this joint

with other whistleblowers. What I can

say is exactly what we did say. We want

to provide uh mental, physical,

spiritual, financial help to

whistleblowers in the interim. I mean,

you know, I'll spell it out real easy.

When the CIA and ODNI commit felonies

against whistleblowers and they're not

held accountable, what are we really

talking about anymore? How can anybody

expect a whistleblower to come forward

and say, "I'm working on this craft at

this location and they're going to lose

their job. Their family's going to be

harassed. They're going to be docked."

>> How how how would anybody in their right

mind do that? You know,

>> it's like it's like trying to testify

against the mob. I must feel basically

the same, right? Except this mob is

everywhere

>> and they know where you are.

>> Exactly. And then Exactly. And this goes

back to, you know, this exists as a stop

gap. The hope is restitution and

lawsuits follow. Matt and I should not

be building an org with Jeff Nut is

selling other whistleblowers and in

coordination with the other

whistleblowers I don't want to name to

try and help out everybody in the

interim. But uh you know the fact of the

matter is is that people have lost their

apartments. People are at risk of losing

their homes. People have been doxed. Uh

we're sharing money to try and make sure

they have groceries for their kids.

That's an insane situation. And you

can't say we're going to protect you

whistleblowers. Come forward and after

you come forward this happens. It's kind

of like we don't know what to do. That's

no bashing. That's no ill will.

Everybody's trying to figure this out

together. But uh that's the idea is to

just just have a stop gap in hopes that

legislation can be done and we can begin

lawsuits. That's really it. you know

>> when when this uh project is launched

fully when Vanguard goes live I guess I

what is the best um vision that you guys

have on how everyday regular people who

support what you're doing can help? Is

it something that they're going to be

able to just like donate to or is this

going to be like a traditional nonprofit

where they can I don't know um get

involved in some way or how how does

that actually work? I mean I mean we're

looking at things again like when you

have spouses and you have children who

are watching their parents and their

husbands and wives go through this. Um

it's trying to get people to contribute.

You know therapists for family members

would be great. Uh we need CPAs, we need

nurses, we need physical therapists. Um,

you know, ironically, Matt and I have a

joke is in a perfect world, this

organization wouldn't exist because

Congress and the executive and

legislative branch would already be

doing this for us. When you talk about

crimes committed against whistleblowers,

they come forward and highlight the

crimes that are being done. This is why

I said I'm not a UFO whistleblower in so

much as I'm a crime and corruption

whistleblower. I came forward because I

was concerned about people's safety,

which you guys brought up, Matthew

Sullivan. It's pretty clear that's a

real thing that's happening. Dave's

aware, I'm aware, most of us are aware.

Uh, in a perfect world, this is a

temporary stop gap and this organization

doesn't exist after 6 months at most.

Let's get legislation passed. Let's hold

these companies, let's hold these

agencies accountable. Let's move

forward. You know, I uh

what you ask me about helping is as I've

said before, I'm no hero. I'm not I I I

don't like being thanked. I don't want

to be public. I tell everybody thank the

others. Dave went and stuck his neck

out. Jeff Nutelli, Mike Herrera, Jake

Barber, Matthew Brown. Add add the

names. Go and add them. I came forward

because I just happen to know what was

done to me and I happen to know what was

done to others and I just happen to know

about UFOs. Um

the reality is is like I've said before,

let's get the government accountable.

Let's hold these people accountable.

When Jeremy and George are saying

felonies are committed against

whistleblowers for blowing the whistle

and protected whistleblower testimony

and that information is leaked to the

public, I have a difficult time going

and saying, "Yeah, great. Let's go show

some more IR videos. The conversation

should be who's going to be held

accountable at the CIA and ODNI. That's

my point in this.

>> Bravo. Well said. Thanks, Dylan. Guys,

if you're watching at home, please just

hit that like button for Dylan and uh

just it it boosts the stream and sends

it out to more people. It's really

helpful if you could do that if you

haven't already. Go ahead. Sorry. What

also is particularly disturbing about

this situation is, you know, I I know

quite a roster of prospective

whistleblowers. Uh these people watch

the space. They watch the UFO space,

keep up with what's going on. These

people would not in their right mind in

a thousand years testify or give

testimony when they see the sort of

treatment that happens to folks like

Dylan, Matt, Dave Brush. Where'd

everybody go?

>> Oh, we're here. I'm just

>> Wait, wait, G. Gerb, let me let I I have

a nasty habit of this, but I appreciate

you saying that because what you just

said is the point. Why would anybody

working in these programs come forward

and say, "I want my wife to be docs. I

want her to lose her job. I want people

to know where I live. I want to lose my

own job. I want to pull my 401k." I What

you just said is exactly what this org

is. We want to be able to make sure that

people have a financial way to survive

in the interim until people are held

accountable. And what you said is the

highlight. That's all we care about is

once you become a whistleblower, how can

we help you if the worst case scenario

happens? Be prepared for your photos to

be shown online. Be prepared for your

family to be contacted. Here's what we

experienced. Here's where we went.

Here's who did what to us. And you know,

UAPDF and Soul and SCU and New Paradigm

are all working their avenues. We want

to work with them.

>> But what you just said, Gerb, is the

highlight of it. You're exactly right.

Why would anybody come forward as a

whistleblower watching what happened to

Dave, what happened to Mike, what

happened to Matt, what happened to me?

Why would anybody do that? It's bananas.

>> Yeah. That's why that's why I think this

press conference was so great. Dave and

Berles putting the ball in the executive

branch's court right now. Uh, you know,

figure out a way figure out a way to

wave NDAs and start thinking about

protection for individuals. Uh, because,

you know, the some of the folks I know

that would even consider testifying even

before going public, they already get

constant reminders that their pensions

uh, their financial livelihood are in

danger. Uh so then when they see kind of

the financial struggles and you know the

amount of financial hardships you Matt

Dave have been threatened with or been

met with uh that money that that the way

these people can't live or take care of

their family is a huge pain point.

Absolutely huge. What? 100%. And that's

the irony and this is the other joke is

and you and I have loosely talked about

this. I've talked with other people

which is you know I already pulled my

401k once. Uh, I live well below my

means and I did not prepare for

everything that happened to me to

happen. But the irony is is they're

creating their own worst enemy. You're

going to threaten me with a death

penalty, a treason, while committing

felonies against me and others. I have

no income and I'm living well below my

means. Why? What's what's insane to me,

Gerb, is they had a way to do this. the

people that know what's going on, they

had a way to do this to where everything

would have been smooth sailing. And if

they came, so when I was working for

BAE, if you came to me and said, "Dylan,

here's what you encountered. Here's

what's going on. We got your back.

Here's who's in charge. Here's why we're

doing it. Sign the NDA." I would have

signed it. And I can't speak on behalf

of anybody else but myself. But all of

us are patriotic, loving, constitutional

Americans. If you did that with Dave and

Matt and everybody else at the right

time, I would bet Mike Herrera Marine, I

would bet almost all of us would have

said, "Sounds great, Lieutenant Colonel.

America, hell yeah."

>> Mhm.

>> Instead, you go and do this crooked

sideey beak bull crap. And now here we

are where we came forward to say, "This

is what we experienced. This is what we

know." And it just gets worse. And you

know, Dave and I have talked about this

loosely, which is the millennials and

the younger Gen X are the ones who

really got screwed in this.

>> No offense to the boomers. The boomers

do have the pensions. The boomers do

have the real estate. The boomers do

have this stuff. I'm not attacking them.

They're facing their own issues. But

it's kind of different taking out a

32-year-old young man or woman when

their whole career is living paycheck to

paycheck in DC when rent is $3,200 a

month and it's like I just lost

everything, you know, and and I think

you know that. Most of us know that.

>> Yeah. You make a good point too about

kind of the the millennials and Gen Zers

missing out. That's why I think it was

so smart when Dave first went public. He

did that interview with Jesse Michaels

and like sat down with a group of

genzers and millennials trying to get

younger people involved and kind of

interested in the topic to really

understand and and have an appetite for

the full extent of what's going on here.

>> Dylan, can I just ask you, mate, is is

there anything more you guys can do like

yourself, Matt, Dave, that would almost

be a push button in case of emergency if

[ __ ] really hit the fan?

>> You know, I I have no idea. And I I I do

a very good job of just trying to speak

for myself. What I can say is God family

country. I've done everything in my

power to serve this nation in America

and serve humanity which comes after my

nation. Unfortunately, I'm not a while

being a citizen of the world. I'm a

citizen to humanity. I swore an oath.

And this is why Mike Herrera and I laugh

and get along. Um what everybody else

has done, they have done. Uh, I'm going

to quote Jeremy Corbell and George Knap

and Gerb, you're probably going to laugh

your butt off and Pavl, you probably

will, too. And McMinnville, when they're

talking about lee classified

whistleblower testimony about power

sources and hieroglyphs, what the hell

are we talking about anymore, gentlemen?

Let's be clear. What are we talking

about anymore?

>> And that's that's not an isolated

incident, right? Like recall Mike

Herrera, he even got his memorandum for

record when he testified to Arrow

specifically. Uh there was a that whole

procedure was built to kind of entrap

Mike uh just to suck out the information

he knew. Um if you recall my Carrera, I

think on my channel, he was talking

about Sean Kirkpatre being in the

briefing. The only question Sean

Kirkpatrick asked during like the whole

hour and a half briefing was about the

paramilitary operators, Mike. So who

were they? Who were they? Who were they?

And then Arrow used that testimony to

lie about Mike's testimony in the Arrow

historical report volume one. So whether

it's lying about whistleblowers trying

to ent trap them or reclassify witness

testimony, institutions and services

like Arrow have done an absolutely

horrendous job.

>> Yeah, I agree, Gerb. I mean I Mike is

awesome. I love Mike. Um I hear you. I

mean again I I I don't

I think most of you guys up here know me

well enough that what I care about are

people. their families, their kids. I

want people to survive and I want the

truth to be known. Um, it's heinous what

was done to us. It's heinous what is

still being done to us. It's heinous

that we have to live with this. You're

absolutely right, Gerb. That is what

they did. Uh, you know, this is already

out there. So, I'll talk about this.

When I went to Arrow, uh, they wanted me

to talk to Sean Kirkpatre. And Sean

Kirkpatre was MIA conveniently. I can't

tell you where he was, but he did not

want to be there with me.

>> You know, he was probably taking his he

was probably signing the position for

his new CTO uh position of defense and

intelligence programs out at Oakidge,

which he got rewarded with in December

of 2023, right after he left Arrow.

>> Is that what's going on with him? I

mean, why for a guy who seems to be

completely like over all of this, he is

everywhere. seems to be giving

constantly giving talks about how

there's nothing to see here. I thought

this case was closed for him.

>> My educated guess with Kirk Patrick was

because he was a career scientist

bureaucrat uh really loved the stuff he

did uh when he headed Arrow when he was

appointed by his good buddy Ron Moltry

and others. Uh, I think Kirk Patrick,

again, just my opinion, but this is an

educated guess, was retroactively

briefed into elements of the legacy

program so he could do program exposure

assessment for Arrow. And when he left

Arrow, he was rewarded with a super

juicy position out at Oakidge, uh, who

his job listing was deleted off the

internet, by the way. Really curious.

And now, as of 2025, his company,

Nonlinear Solutions LLC, is

subcontracting for the MITER Corporation

under US SpaceCom. So, Patrick may not

like a bandit. And yet he still has time

to hop on podcasts and defame

whistleblowers.

>> That's really interesting. That's really

interesting.

>> Which is again insane is why like this

you know Gerb again most of you guys

know me at this point to some extent

which is at the end of the day we're

covering up we're not alone.

>> Like yeah the technology the patents are

worth trillions. Um,

but a simple fact of just saying we're

not alone. What are we really covering

up and why? You know, this is why I say

don't look at what is done and what is

said. Look at what isn't done and what

isn't said. I mean, this is an insane

situation we're in. And the problem for

me is the whistleblowers and their

families are the ones facing the brunt

of it. And I cannot in good faith tell

whistleblowers, come forward. And Gerb,

this goes back to Vanguard. When when

you guys ask me about what can be done,

you know, Gerb, we're relying on people

like you, like Jeremy, like Greer,

whoever. If you're a real whistleblower,

how can we bring you forward? How we can

give you to Dave? How can we give you to

Berles?

>> I can in good faith tell them, "Yeah,

stick your neck out right now because I

know what all of us have faced

>> and and that's a problem. That's why

we're standing up this org. this

shouldn't exist, but it it's a

situation. We care about everybody and

that's where we're at.

>> Is especially with the baggage here. You

know, the the Senate and God bless the

staff on SSCI, but Gillibrand and Rubio

were supposed to be doing this as well,

taking in whistleblower testimony and

protecting them. Uh, and they completely

failed at their at at their directive

and in turn got many people exposed and

hurt. And um so how can after that sort

of baggage from 2017 to 2023 it's

difficult to also encourage people to

come forward after how many people got

hurt and kind of uh left in the dust

there.

>> But I see I I I guess I see what you're

saying Dylan is is more or less like the

big truth can can come out like the big

question of we're not alone can be

answered right and and that's not

violating any national security issues.

That's not really putting anybody in a

weird uncomfortable position. But does

that open the floodgates once you pull

that thread? Doesn't the whole sweater

come unraveled?

>> I mean, I again I would I would just I

I've done a very careful job of what

I've said publicly, especially with

weaponized. And again, I didn't want to

be public. Uh after the ICIG, I went

back to work. The only reason you guys

know about me is because I lost my job.

Had I never lost my job, you guys

wouldn't know about me unless you guys

were connected in back rooms. Um,

almost every religion throughout history

believes in some type of other entity

that has interacted with us. Call them

aliens, call them angels, demons, it

doesn't matter. 7 billion people on

Earth pretty much have a religion that

believes in some type of other sentient

life. Um

my point is is that the fact that you

will not confirm that we have

confirmation we as modern humanity are

not the only ones who accomplish what

we've accomplished and others have

accomplished more is such a mind screw

that where my mind goes as an

intelligence analyst is well why won't

you say it now you kept the floodgates

closed you talk about uh opening the

kimono.

You You can literally still say that and

still keep the kimono closed. They kept

the kimono closed on even saying we're

not alone for all these years.

>> So my my point is is why not say it?

It's an honest question. Why not say

we're not alone? Why has China, Russia,

Israel, Five? Why has everybody kept

their mouth shut? It's an interesting

question.

>> That's a great question. It's my

question. Why why wouldn't why wouldn't

another mover, you know, another player

on the board make a first move? Why not

China? Why not the Vatican? Vatican

could make a statement. They have some

of the best astronomers in the world

working for the Vatican. Like

>> I So I to be fair, you're talking to a

uh devout Catholic, so I'm going to

tiptoe this one, uh gentlemen. But uh

you know, I've been clear. I've never

said extraterrestrial intelligence

exists. I've never seen proof of

extraterrestrial intelligence. But what

I would say to you is Catholic priests

and bishops and cardinals within the

history of Catholicism have been clear

we're not alone. By definition, at the

end of Catholic mass, we say a prayer to

St. Michael the Archangel. Defend us in

battle. Protect us from the snares of

the devil. Uh that is not a demon. That

is an archangel. By definition is a

non-human intelligence. So I get what

you're saying, but this is this is my

irony when you have Christians go and

say it's all demonic. By your very

definition of a religion, if you

understand Christian history, you

already believe in NHI that aren't

demonic. So again, you're getting into

one of the things I've been pressing.

Not only is the crimes committed against

whistleblowers, it's the scop being spun

on the public, which is people are being

fed BS to convince themselves of what

they heard without looking at the

information. And you're fighting an

uphill battle against Mockingbird,

Northwoods, the CIA, ODNI, international

community, big business, banks, Lockheed

Martins. You're fighting everything at

one time

and that's where you're at.

>> Funny you mentioned Mockingbird.

>> Yeah. Is there a chance though that this

is being kept secret at that high level?

Cuz like Clint saying he likes that

question around why is everyone keeping

it secret? That there's a good reason

it's kept secret.

>> Yeah, Andy. I mean, I I brought this up

before. I The scary part is is that if

this was all sunshine and rainbows, you

could say we're not alone. What freaks

me out is if this was good news, they

would go and sell it cuz there's a

profit there. The fact they don't sell

it freaks me out.

Yeah,

>> this guy

>> he gets it.

>> One of the one of the questions too is

how many sovereign nations, countries or

institutions have a kind of agreements

with each other uh to keep the genie in

the bottle here. One, the former

Brazilian defense minister who Jesse

Michaels talked to kind of said, "Hey,

if the US releases their documents and

files on UFOs, we will as well." But

also, you know, back in the 70s within

the salt treaties, the US and the then

Soviet Union had agreements. They had a

they had red phone Molink hotlines, Atom

222 and Atom 3 I33 nuke flash codes to

alert the Soviet Union or for them to

alert us Americans if there were UFOs

that could be misconstrued as ICDMs or

kind of a nuclear launch. Yeah. Who's to

say there weren't further classified

agreements between the US and USSR to

say, "Hey, if something lands in in kind

of your territory, you get it. it lands

in our territory, but let's keep this

genie in the bottle because we don't

think yet China or other adversaries,

other sovereign nations have this

technology yet. So, I I think that's

also an open possibility.

>> This is the thing that gets me though is

like the the the

argument that um that the threat

narrative argument is the it's arguably

the easiest one to sell to people

because we buy it all the time. We

bought it about after 9/11, we bought

the threat narrative. bought it about uh

weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when

Saddam Hussein didn't have any weapons

of mass. We go to war all the time on

that basis. So it we know that works.

And if you wanted to keep people on

board with what you were doing and

funding the cover up and continuing to

just funnel money into this and probably

even get more, wouldn't it make more

sense to say, "Yeah, we're not alone."

And guess what? It's a big scary [ __ ]

universe out there and we have no I we

just figured out how to build bows and

arrows. So we're going to need some

help. We got to get all the scientists

on board. We're going to need more

funding. We're going to push for that.

Seems to me more effective in terms of

achieving a positive end result for the

people in control of the program than

trying to hold back the tide that is

clearly impossible to do forever. This

is a losing fight. Sooner or later,

information's going to be free.

>> Well, yeah. And you know, again, I want

to be careful because I have so many

thoughts and this is why I joke with

Gerb. We just need to open a college on

the history of this stuff. And I mean

it, man. This would be years in the

making. But, uh, you know, I'm a big I

have the answers that I want. My

questions regard the government and the

programs they did. So, Tuskiggee Airman,

what were you doing with psychic spies?

And what were you doing with genetic

modification? This goes back to leaked

phone calls in 2017 by people in this

space, which I'm sure you guys are all

connecting real quick. Herb, I see the

smile on your face, buddy. I uh

I I'll I'll leave it here. I look at

intent. So, the way my brain works is

this. What are the facts? I don't care

about the opinions of the facts. What

are the facts? Something's here. It's

interacting with humans. It conceals

itself. It goes to military bases. It

goes to nuclear sites. Why are you doing

that? And then you look at, okay, we

recovered things. Hypothetically, if you

believe it, I know where I'm at with

this. And I think Gerb and Pavle and

most of you guys up here know where

you're at with it. So now you go to,

okay, we recovered it. Well, now let's

go back to 2023 and Dave Grush with

agreements. So my point is is that if

you look at the facts and you accept

basic things as true, whether you know

them firsthand or not, if you believe

them based on the research and GE, this

is where you do a good job. You go

through all of this and you see what's

out there in the public record and you

break it down.

I do not know real quick. I do not know

how anybody can say the intent of the

majority of what we're seeing is

beneficial. At most, I think you could

say it's clearly

an operation for uh preparation of the

battlefield. And I hate saying it. I

know people freak out because of the

threat narrative, but it's pretty

difficult to argue against it in my

opinion.

I am so glad you said that because I

don't disagree with that statement at

all and it's weird that no one else is

talking about it. I I don't know why

it's not discussed more.

>> See fear maybe and also maybe we just

haven't gotten that far yet. I think

that's what we're trying to do at least

on this channel is like get to that part

of the conversation. What are they

doing? They're already here. We know

that. Okay, let's move on. Why are they

here? But uh this this idea that they

are

they they have to act in a clandestine

way. Clearly their actions are organized

and somehow are I don't know um

if if that is an organized um

clandestine operation that is

practically invisible to the average

person most of the time, then maybe

their numbers aren't that great. Maybe

they're not as powerful as we're

supposed to believe that they are. This

whole idea of like, oh, they're

unstoppable. They're like gods. They

could snap their fingers and we'd all be

dead. Maybe. Or maybe not. It certainly

doesn't appear that way. If they could,

if they had that kind of capability, I

don't understand why they would be so cy

about everything that they're doing.

>> Um,

you could make the argument like if you

came to me as Joe Q public and you said,

"Look, there is we, yes, we've made

contact. The reason we couldn't tell you

is because we didn't know what we were

dealing with. But it's been 79 years.

Now we do. Here's what we're dealing

with. It's a mixed bag. There's some bad

guys out there. There's some good guys

out there. But it's risky and we don't

know who's who. It's all new territory

for us. So, we are going to build our

defenses. We have to assimilate this

technology. We have to advance our

military capabilities. We have to be

able to go toe-to-toe with a

civilization that's got a 10,000-year

head start on us. And that's the

problem. And then you just say like

that's where we're at. And people would

buy into that. They'd go, "Okay, Clint,

you're assuming

>> preach." Go ahead, Gerb. I was just

gonna say, "Preach, my man. Gerb, go and

preach. I'm here. I'm in the

congregation. Let's go, buddy."

>> I was going to say, you're assuming that

that's one species of NHI. Uh, and that

that's the same NHI that was here of

prior years in epox is the same NHI here

of today.

>> Oh, no. I'm saying you could have you

you don't have to pick one. You could

just say, "Look, it's a mixed bag."

Sometimes they're these little gray

guys. They're not a big problem, but

sometimes it's these other things and

that's a real issue.

>> You know what I mean? Like you you don't

have to answer.

>> Well, the topic, too. This is kind of uh

my wheelhouse. You have to think uh the

first kind of globally recognized crash

on on US soil was 1947's Roswell. Uh

there were previous crashes like

Magenta. For all intents and purposes,

Magento was a lenticular disc that was

non-manned. Uh, for all I know, because

I'm unaware, maybe Roswell was the first

time we recovered biologics, but in

1947, this was hot off the heels of of

World War II. This is right when we were

in a competing race with the Soviets to

build the Hbomb, which was exponentially

more powerful than even the atomic bomb.

And all of a sudden, in our American

Southwest, we have a series of crashes

of of small beings that display

tremendous technological capabilities.

uh there's going to be a scramble to to

both uh not incite fear within the the

larger US populace as well as try and uh

create asymmetrical advantages from that

technology. And over the years that

secrecy structure uh just spiraled out

of control to where even uh real truths

of reality there the the question of

whether or not we're alone which no

we're not uh has basically become

classified information. It's just been a

a tremendous compounding effect. It's

it's it's wild. You you know the idea

that Dylan's talking about that

potentially they're it's preparing a

battlefield. I've always liked there's a

lot of good hypotheses. Something people

always say modern day is that the alien

abduction stopped. Why did they stop?

Why have they slowed down? Well, maybe

they found out all they needed to know.

And if you're going through stages of

discovery, observation, planning,

assessment, then maybe alien abductions

were just genuinely a thing for a couple

of decades. And they went, "Cool. We

know what we need to know. Let's move

on.

>> Interestingly, I I just caught a clip of

Matthew Pines on Jesse Michael's uh show

talking about that very question. And

they had a very interesting exchange on

this. And one of the ideas that they

were kicking back and forth was uh when

the project is complete and you don't

need to collect specimens anymore, that

might indicate that whatever you think

is about to happen is going to happen

soon. And you have to have whatever

genetic collections you're going to do

done because if a calamity were to take

place or something uh were to wipe us

out or we wipe ourselves out and you

knew that was going to happen. Uh that

could be part of the ticking time clock.

>> Uh thinking

>> I'm going to be my smartass in this.

Excuse my language. Sorry for people

with the kids. Ding ding ding.

I I have a uh an interjection to make a

little bit because um I remember Tom

Dong talking about uh or insinuating

that uh if this is real and uh this

whole uh preparing for battlefield

concept is real. Um he exposed that

there there might be uh uh a scenario

where the the government and everybody

who's keeping this a secret is doing it

because they're getting ready in secret.

And that's why potentially a lot of the

misinformation has been taking place uh

for nearly 80 years because um you don't

want to give away the plan for whatever

they're getting ready to, you know.

Great.

>> I don't know if that's like a like a

possibility, but um that came up to me

uh as you guys were talking.

>> Yeah. The secrecy is not about us

finding out. It's about the occupiers

who are here that look like us that are

embedded in our society finding out.

Like you've got

>> I I'm going to tiptoe that one. You

know, I'm going to speak facts. Here's

facts. And again, not saying what you

said isn't a fact, but here's a fact.

that was asked to me in McMinnville and

I answered it this way. Uh you really

think Russia, China, Israel, Fivei, uh

all the rest of the superpowers,

especially the nuclear superpowers don't

know this is real? So why are all them

keeping their mouth shut? Because the

question to me is why is everybody being

quiet? Why is Russia quiet? Why is China

quiet? At a certain point, again quoting

Dave,

you got to bring in agreements. That is

the only answer to this. It is

>> that we have agreements with them to

maintain secrecy for their benefit

>> agreements at least internationally. Now

you can go and expand that to are we in

communication with them. I'm not going

to make that bridge. But at a certain

point, this goes back to nuclear weapons

inspections and what I talked about on

weaponize and Matt has tiptoed into it.

At a certain at a certain point there is

some type of agreement to keep this

quiet in the international community.

There has to be.

>> I I wonder if they have that much

coordination. I mean, it just seems like

they would be that'd be one thing out of

so many things that that they would be

coordinated on. Um I don't know, man. I

the impression I got when I read uh I

think we're about to go officially to

Doomer Friday, which by the way, uh

Justin, I'm going to cue the uh I'm

going to cue the video in a second here,

but the um because we're getting into

the Doom territory.

The um

the impression I got from reading

Penetration, Ingos Swan's amazing book

on remote viewing was that um there is a

group that that looks like us, that

talks like us, walks like us. They have

telepathic abilities. They could

influence us from a distance and they

are here. They are in our society. They

are embedded in our institutions. They

are everywhere. They could be people

that you even know and you wouldn't know

that they are hybrids. But that's part

of what's going on. And the impression I

got was that there is a group of people

in the intelligence apparatus that are

acutely aware of this and they are

trying to like work around that in some

kind of very complex weird way. Um, and

that's that's very deep lore for people

who aren't into this topic, you know,

more than just the surface level stuff,

but I can't escape. I can't shake the

feeling that the ticking time clock

thing is real. I remember Coltart saying

it years ago that he had heard this

rumor. Um, it feels like the information

is flowing faster. It feels like we're

on some kind of a moving platform here

and it's just

>> so

>> there's got to be an end point. May May

I fill you in on something again? My

friend Jeremy Corbell and George Knap

friends plural Gerb Andy Pavle Clint.

Gentlemen to the bottom right. Haven't

met yet, but you're my friend. I got

nothing but love for all you guys.

Here's the deal. Jeremy and George went

and met with Lou and they brought up a

future event and Lou answered it the way

that he could. And this goes back to why

the hell is ODNI and CIA leaking

classified whistleblower testimony to

friaking journalists? If you are not

pissed as an American citizen, what are

we talking about? But to answer your

question, that was brought up to Lou and

Lou had to answer it legally the way you

have to answer it in this world.

It's pretty clear something's going on.

And I try to avoid the woo. And most of

you up here know that I know a thing or

two about the woo. I don't like talking

about the woo. I don't want to talk

about it publicly. But there's a reason

all this is unfolding. And I avoid Engo

Swan not calling him a liar. I avoid all

of this. But there's something to it. At

the end of the day, there's a reason why

all of this is starting to come out.

There's a reason why you see an internal

struggle within the Department of War,

Department of Defense, and the IC. Gerb.

Am I wrong there? You see them fighting

with each other daily.

>> Mhm.

>> True.

>> So, it's pretty clear something is

happening for a reason. And having

worked in this for over a decade, uh you

don't begin getting into uh fighting

matches internally with lots of money

and contracts, unless something's going

on in two agencies at minimum have a

real big investment on what they want to

be done with that information.

>> Yeah.

That is that is very well said. Can we

Dylan, do you have a few minutes? Are

you going to be here with us for another

10 minutes, 15 minutes?

>> I I'm literally trying to say my age

rack, man. Uh I'm going to make a joke.

Uh you know, my family's unemployed and

we're living off of pennies. We're

pinching them. So, uh I'm trying to uh

shop, vac out water, and make sure I

have AC. But I'm here to uh be polite

and do my best to not do anything crazy

and just be a friend to you guys. I just

want to say hi. But my favorite

conversations are these where I can

actually talk. So, uh, what is it you

want from me? Because if it's not vital,

I'm going to go back to working on my

Hback.

>> I just want to keep picking your brain,

but if you've got other stuff to do,

please don't don't let us keep you. You

have you've spent more than enough time.

You've been very generous with your time

today, sir.

>> Thank you, Dylan.

>> Yeah. Thank you for everything.

>> Awesome.

>> Everybody on uh in the chat, please uh

give it up for Dylan Borland who's uh

joined us today. Much to our surprise

and delight. This has been awesome, man.

>> Well, if I'm gonna if I'm getting

booted, Gerb, Andy, Pavle, Clint,

gentleman to the bottom right, who

what's your name? I didn't know it.

>> Uh I love you guys. Peace to all of you.

I love all of you. You guys mean the

world. What you guys are doing means the

world to me and the whistleblowers.

Gerb, you know,

Andy and Pavle, you guys are on the

receiving end of this. This isn't

possible without you guys, especially in

the trenches. I know at Contact, I'm

going to say something that I normally

wouldn't say, but Gerb, you said it. You

want to be in the trenches with us. You

are nothing but love, my man. And I love

you, Dyl. And we got a date soon.

>> Oh, I love it.

>> Video out. You bring me roses, my man.

You better bring me roses. You're damn

right. They better be red. Um, but no, I

love you guys. Keep doing what you're

doing. Uh, we got to figure out a way to

hold the government accountable, the

agencies accountable, the private

businesses accountable. We need to look

out for whistleblowers. If you want this

to happen, you know, everybody brings up

Dave and Dave started this. You need to

protect Dave and you need to protect

everybody else who was there with Dave

that aren't known and the people who

are. The only way we're getting through

this is to hold these people

accountable. And what you guys are doing

is that have the conversations

and hopefully we get there. And I

appreciate being here. I was just going

to stop and say hi and we got off on

some tangents, but I hope I didn't do

anything too crazy. Nothing but love.

And I got to go uh wet back a uh AC unit

cuz it's flooded. So, love y'all.

>> Dylan,

>> love you, Dylan.

>> Thanks.

>> Bye, Dylan.

>> Have fun.

>> All right,

>> guys.

>> So, there you have it, folks. Um, you

know, uh, it got over 30 minutes of

conversation with Dylan. Um he said that

these are the conversations that I can

speak freely because you need to

understand whenever he is for example

with uh Jeremy and George they have a

very specific plan on how they want

things said because they have Chuck

Mcculla advising them this is a very

serious matter so they need to be really

specific and there weren't still uh any

uh places where he could uh you know

feel more comfortable and talk about

this freely

and I think that this was it. This was

the moment and it happened organically

and it got a little serious because you

know this conversation about intent and

potentially how many there are you know

it's it's a conversation that needs to

eventually happen because you know

there's the love and light crew the star

seed crew that think that this is going

to be like an elevation of consciousness

and nothing bad is going to happen. They

don't really know that. They really

don't. So, we need to listen to people

who are in the fight, in the, you know,

in it. And Dylan is one of those people.

And um I want to thank Dylan more

importantly first and foremost because

he uh he's always been very kind and

very open and uh really personable, but

the people needed to hear from him and

I'm glad that they got this treat uh to

hear from him. Let me know what you

think about this conversation because it

got really serious and doomy being it a

doomer Friday at certain points. Um I

happen to like the the most the

conversation about how the perception of

the phenomenon has been uh through the

lens of religion for example uh and

Dylan is a Roman Catholic. He told you

that that is going to play into a lot of

this too. Uh I think all walks of life

will all disciplines will. Um but let me

know what you think. Uh it was a really

amazing conversation. The reason I redid

it on my channel here is because I don't

post the Doomer Friday episode on

Fridays. I don't post it on my other

platforms. I don't post it on Spotify. I

don't post it on on Patreon anymore.

Last Tuesday's one, that was one that

was an exception because it wasn't

really a Doomer Friday, per se. It was a

special occasion. So, that one I did

post. But the Friday ones are going to

stay on the YouTube live feed on

Squakivo and the other channels. So

that's why I'm doing this. Um, I got

permission from everybody and I thought

it was important to hear Dylan where he

stands on what's happening. And I'm glad

that he spoke about other whistleblowers

too who have been going through it.

That's the reality right now. They're

being ostracized, demonized, and

harassed, doxed, and worse. and they

need our support in any capacity that we

can give it. Whether it be just support,

just verbal support to whatever you can

think of that we can help when more

information comes about ways in which we

can help people like them. You can be

sure that we will report on it. Thank

you, Dylan. Thank you to everybody on

Doomer Friday. Thank you to Gerb. I was

very excited to have Gerb on finally. Uh

we got to chop it up a little bit. The

whole conversation is really wonderful.

I know that this video is probably going

to do a little better than the video

that I did, but I would go and watch the

entire thing because Rob Jones made some

really awesome points, too. Sad that he

didn't get to stay for the Dylan Borland

intervention because he had to record

with with Ross Coldart on NewsNation.

But it was a an amazing combo and I I'm

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