Disclosure Team's Vinnie Adams's favorite UFO theories & Disclosure Day Spoilers - Psicoactivo #1048

What's up humans and welcome to a

newactivo. Happy Thursday to everybody.

And today is a very special day for me

because I man I managed to get the

trifecta of interviews that when I first

started researching the topic uh like

properly before I went public um with

the English content. Uh there were three

channels that I saw in in the span of

one year that got me a little more

educated in the topic. One of them was

Andes from that UFO podcast. The other

one was engaging the phenomenon uh with

James Yandali. And the third one is my

guest today and I'm really really

excited because I want you guys to

please welcome my good friend now Vinnie

Adams from Disclosure Team. How you

doing Vinnie? Welcome to Man.

>> Thank you man. It's an honor to be here

Pavle man. Yeah I mean that's an honor

to say that you saw my show and now here

you are doing yours and you're excelling

at it. So really happy to see it. Really

happy.

>> It's really crazy man. Uh when I when I

when I saw you in person, I was like,

damn, Vinnie's here. What the [ __ ]

>> That's so cool.

>> Yeah, man.

>> Yeah, man.

>> We had a wonderful time and contact in

the desert. Um I wanted to first talk to

you a little bit about that 2022

experience that I had because that was a

transitional moment for my career in

journalism. Um because when I saw first

I get that you're like a 2021 alum. are

you you're from

>> because something weird happened in that

year. There were multiple people doing

this that were sort of started their

thing in 2021. It's you uh it's FPO from

podcast for normal Kelly Chase. There's

a lot of people that in 2021 they

started doing this. So I'm happy to say

that I'm part of your class of 2021

because I also uh opened Squakivo on

that year. But when I um when I started

looking at this more seriously was right

after the interview that uh Commander

Fraver did on Joe Rogan, then I just

started browsing on the internet to

listen to podcasts that were already

covering this and and that's how I saw

you. I saw Andy. I saw Dan Setterstrom

with Andy. I saw James Yandali and also

Ryan uh Robbins from uh Post Disclosure

>> and and it was like I was like these

guys like know their [ __ ] What the

hell? So I started just following all

your interviews. The first Ross Goldart

interview I ever saw was yours.

>> Oh wow.

>> And and it was it was really cool. It

was a really cool experience and very

educational. So I want to thank you.

you're partly responsible for uh

whatever the [ __ ] this is.

>> Dude, that's crazy, man. I really

appreciate that. I mean, yeah, I started

my pod in 2021. It's funny because it

was mainly James Ian Dolley who

persuaded me in a in a roundabout way to

start my show. Obviously he was doing

his before but you know I'd started

disclosure team probably towards the end

of 2020 and that had come from 10 years

of of just researching the subject

privately. So I'd been in the game for a

long time but I was not part of the

community in any way shape or form. So

I'd spent 10 years researching listening

to I guess it was almost pre-podcast.

There weren't that many podcasts that I

discovered. I was watching a lot of

lectures from old contact in the deserts

from Joshua Tree and and and things and

bit Jimmy Church and things like that.

So, it's crazy to see where it's at now,

man.

>> What's it been for you? Because, you

know, uh it it started even before the

2017 article, right? Because Tom Dong

was already going out on podcast and

saying the wildest [ __ ] Uh, what was it

like for you to like experience that

back in the day when when it was just

early days of whatever this movement is

that's still going?

>> It was totally different, man. I

probably started researching and and

really digging into the subject around

2010. I mean, I'd listened and dabbled a

little bit before then, but really 2010,

I was I was in and I was hooked. And it

was people like Richard Dole and Steve

Basset, the OGs that really kind of were

the mainstay for the people I was kind

of listening to a lot more. Um, but it

was a very flat line. There weren't many

ups and downs in the subject like we get

now. We get some big ups with the

hearings and things like that. And it

wasn't like that. It was just a a flat

line of a bit repetitive. And then we

had things like 2013 we had the mock

hearings, the um citizens hearing for

disclosure. This this

>> Oh, John Burrows. Yeah, multi-day event,

so many researchers and all sorts of

people talking almost like a practice

run if we ever did get hearings again.

So, that was exciting 2013. And I think

other exciting things that maybe stick

out in my mind would be Dr. Greer's

first documentary, Sirius. I remember

when that was being made and we were

going to see it. Uh, that was exciting.

So, yeah, it was it was there wasn't a

lot to be really hyped about back then.

So to see 2017 come along and you know

that was a strange time for me. I was

the morning of the article drop

obviously I I'd woken up my daughter was

born two weeks before so I was a brand

new dad. I was in new dad mode getting

up with the baby and stuff and I just

saw the article and I was like

>> I I can remember the feeling of like

this is it. It's all going to change

now. And here we are what eight years

later nine years later nearly.

>> Yeah. Crazy. It's a crazy journey, man.

>> What got you interested in UFOs in the

first place, though?

>> Well, just because of my age, you know,

we were really spoiled with an abundance

of really good science fiction movies in

the in the early 80s. Um, so I just grew

up with that kind of wonder and

amazement of the potential of what else

could be out there. And and of course

that it trickled along all through my

teens and my 20s, but I never delved

into it or anything, but science fiction

was that mainstay of my like movie

choices and things like that. And you

know, X Files when that came along in

the '9s. So it was always there

throughout my life until when I got a

bit older and really started questioning

things, that's when it all changed.

>> Did you ever have any experiences or saw

a UFO or anything like that?

>> Not really. I think in my early years,

you know, the times that I'd look up in

the sky and see something questionable,

I'd always be able to figure out that,

oh, it was a satellite, it was a planet

or some, you know, something prosaic. I

was able to do that. Um, which looking

back, I surprised myself. I'm really

glad that I had that early mentality to

always question what you see and not

just believe that it's something crazy

you can't identify initially.

>> Yeah. I want to ask you about a specific

interview that I really enjoyed that is

one of your most recent. Uh I've asked

you about this privately. That

conversation that Lua Lando had with

Diane Pulka and another collab uh um

another colleague of yours. What's her

name? I'm sorry. I'm I'm Caroline. Yeah.

>> Carolene. Yeah. So, um, that

conversation was very different to

anything I heard before from Lou

specifically because you guys got into

religion and, um, Diana opened up a

little bit more about angels, demons,

and all of these concepts. Um, what is

your belief system like when you're

tackling all of these topics? How do you

Because if I had to guess, I I probably

guess you're probably agnostic, but, you

know, maybe I'm wrong.

>> Yeah. I mean, I've always and more

recently have definitely sort of been

questioning my thoughts and beliefs on

religion and, you know, when you know,

Karolina is my partner and when she came

into my life as a Catholic, started to

learn about Catholicism and and a lot of

it made a lot more sense to anything I'd

heard before from any, you know, Church

of England and Cath and Christianity and

stuff. And so it really opened my mind

and started letting me think a bit more

outside the box when it comes to the

especially the you know the crossover of

religion and UFOs. And so I mean that's

probably the main reason for the

interview. I think you know with Diana

being a Catholic and Karolina being a

Catholic and then me and Lou both being

kind of nuts and bolts I thought that

crossover was something really

interesting and I thought let's throw it

together and and see what happens.

>> Yeah. And um what's your idea on what

these interpretations of angels and

demons are? Because to this day, there's

still people who believe this. And um I

I've spoken about this a little bit

before my my dentist when I the first

time we spoke about this, he's like,

"Oh, I know what those are. They're

demons." And I'm like,

>> "Yeah, you see that a lot, don't you?

You see that a lot, people making that

bold statement like they know what it

is." Yeah, I mean I like the theory that

people were seeing then what we're

seeing now and it was just their

interpretation based on their the

current times, you know, and

>> I think that makes a lot more sense to

me,

>> you know, but could it be angels and

demons like literally like the Bible

says? Why not? I mean, I don't know. Um,

and I'm happy to say I don't know. I'm

happy to open and ex open myself up to

different theories and explore what

other people are saying like when Diana

Pulka kind of came along and the way

that she looks at the subject completely

different to a lot of other researchers

that I'd ever really looked into or

followed. And so I I I think I find that

exciting when you get given something

new to think about in this subject

because it just adds to this big

proverbial table of information that I

have in front of me and I I pile it all

up and sort through it and I don't take

anything off the table because we 100%

don't know the actual truth of anything

and so it just adds to the the data for

me. out of the like all the theories

that you've looked into, what's your gut

tell you uh in terms of what do you feel

is the one that may maybe resonates with

you a little more?

>> I mean, it's funny because a couple of

days ago we had this uh thing on the

capital on the steps of the capital with

David Grush and he me mentioned sentient

plasmoids. You know, that's something

I've been looking into for quite some

time um with my investigations that I

did in Colombia. was very much

associated with that and there's been

some good work done on it not recently

but there's one book that stands out in

my mind which is earth lights

revelations by Paul Devo and that really

digs into light phenomena and you know

in that book one of the hypothesis that

he puts forward is that it's this

sentient plasma intelligent life form uh

and and so that to hear Grush say that

was like wow that brings that all that

research back but then you know he says

bipedal all the way through to sentient

plasmoids. So, you know, are we actually

dealing with multiple types of

intelligence that are very different to

each other? And of course, there's every

possibility. And it kind of makes sense

when you really think about it. So, I

don't pinpoint one over the other. Uh

I'm happy to change my mind and and over

time, you know, when Al put off brought

forward the ultraterrestrial theory,

again, looking into it, it makes a lot

of sense. There seems to be some

legitimacy to that theory because again

going back to when I first started like

I was saying earlier all we talked about

was extraterrestrials. That was pretty

much it. Everything else was mentioned

here and there but it was always aliens

grays and that really dominated the

subject. And now look at it. It's every

every kind kind of theory and potential.

>> Well, when it comes to that though

because the grush with a single sentence

opened up a whole

world of possibilities. But

>> yeah,

>> uh it also opens up uh big opportunities

for people from the intel community to

inject uh misinformation into the

community. And you know, I'm a media

analyst. When I started doing the

research, I saw you guys, but I also saw

the [ __ ] show that places like UFO

Twitter were, you know, and I've been

looking at it from from a a distance a

little bit. Uh because I can't help it

really and I I try to analyze it quite

extensively and I know that you do too.

You don't get into the drama or anything

and I do appreciate that about you.

That's one of the things that I actually

appreciate the most from people in this

community that they like to the ones

that like to try and get along with

everybody else even though they may not

have the same opinion.

>> That's very valuable and I don't have

that patience. I got to learn from you

>> in terms of that. So, um why do you

think that is like do you do you think

um there's always that latent danger? Do

you think there's been infiltration in

this day and age as it happened for

example when uh the whole Dodie uh

situation took place in the 80s? How do

you see it today?

I mean, look, there's there's more than

likely got to be some kind of

infiltration by agencies or government

entities of some sort to, you know, to

poison the well and muddy the waters.

That's just been the playbook, not just

in the UFO subject, but anything with

uh, you know, with with those involved.

I think ultimately what it is, it's

internet culture because in my journey

I've been lucky enough to meet some

skeptics who I get on with so well

because I meet them in person. U

primarily I'm thinking of Dr. David

Clark who's been in this subject for

decades here in the UK. We live in the

same city so we naturally would meet up

and have a beer and talk about the

subject. He's he he's on the other end

of the the the subject so I am when it

comes to his skepticism and that but we

talk about it we agree to disagree and

we [ __ ] pints and say cheers and we get

on so well you know he's helped me you

know evolve and change as more and more

information comes into this subject

online on Twitter and everything and

it's made me who I am a lot so I think

being behind a keyboard people are a lot

more quick to start fights start argu

arguments inject to that kind of

negativity, whereas I bet in person if

they if they'd had that same

conversation, it would have gone a hell

of a lot different. That's kind of how I

see it now.

>> Yeah. And it's it's weird because um you

can see both ends of the spectrum. You

can see the skeptic debunker that is

really aggressive and really rude and

everything, but you can also see the

believer that is equally aggressive and

rude and everything. And it's like,

dude, I mean, I don't know. It's um

that's why I try to keep my distance.

But it's it's really interesting that it

just keeps happening. And you uh

attributed to internet culture. I do

think that there are like it just takes

one match to light up a full a full

fuse. Right.

>> Exactly. and and it's just one it can be

just one person that is just there

constantly and uh who is paid and the

other one the other ones not necessarily

but they help out because you know

they're they're part of it too uh

>> indirectly sort of um this leads me to

my next question though because I

haven't been able to ask this to a lot

of people who have had interactions with

Lou

>> and you you have a good interaction with

him and you know there's always been

this conversation surrounding him. Uh we

know that Gerb has been uh working a lot

on on stuff that contradicts a lot of

what Lou uh does and says. What's your

personal uh experience when it comes to

Lou and the topic, not your personal

relationship with him as in and the

topic? Uh have you ever wondered about

these things that are that are uh

floated around? Have you talked to him

about it at any point?

>> Yeah, we've had some conversations.

Yeah, absolutely. Um, you know, it's

it's difficult sometimes. Um, but again,

I try and separate the information from

the person that I've met multiple times,

spent time, good quality time with him,

his wife, his children, his children's

partners. I've seen him in that setting.

Now, that changes a lot of things. is

the way you look at people. You know,

Lou's not

>> Y

>> he's not super human or anything like

that. He he's admitted to making

mistakes, you know, and that was always

good to see. Um maybe he's come at

things in the past where he probably

shouldn't have said this and maybe said

that instead or not done this and not

done that. But again, everyone's human.

We all do things that in retrospect

maybe we could have done differently or

or in a better way. Um

I I've not had a bad interaction with

him. I've not I've there's been nothing

that's made me think, "Oh, I have to

back away from this dude." You know,

nothing at all. Uh but that's my

experience and everyone else only sees

what again what they see online.

>> So, it's hard for me to sort of separate

myself and put myself in other people's

shoes.

>> Maybe I would be more skeptical. Maybe

that's natural. I don't know.

>> And I did see like because I do

appreciate it when whenever there's like

a hard question that I think needs

asked. um especially to Lou or people

that and and you have access to pretty

much everybody. Um it's always been you

the one who goes there and I I do

appreciate it that they never take it

wrong uh because it's coming from you

and they do have that confidence to

respond to you honestly also when the

whole NASCAR trad uh heated up again.

You had Dr. Gary Nolan on and and I had

never seen him as candid as that when he

was talking to you.

>> What was that like?

>> Yeah, that was that was funny. Um

>> I'm always cautious. I'm like, "Oh,

should I or shouldn't I?" But with the

timing of that interview, I it was like

almost like I had to. I really had to.

Um I know in the weeks leading up to

that interview, he'd said I can't

remember where online or how I'd heard,

but he's like doesn't like talking about

that subject. So when I brought it up,

he kind of let let loose and let it out.

I was like, "Okay, here we go. Let's do

this then." Thank goodness he's actually

willing to to not just give a oneliner

and then brush it off and move on to

something else. He was up for that

conversation and and and you saw how it

how it panned out. That was not really

my doing. That was his. I just like you

like you mentioned earlier, I lit that

little flame and he fired it up, you

know. So I was very blessed with that. I

was really like, "Wow, that was not

expected, but I was really glad." and

you know he was gracious to really like

let his views out and his opinions and I

think it was I think it was helpful

overall to the subject.

>> Yeah, I do I do think so too. Um I

wanted to ask you though about the

current state of things because um well

the garage conference happened on

Tuesday. There's disclosure day dropping

today and tomorrow. Uh I don't know if

you've seen it yet.

>> I have.

>> You have?

>> I did. So yesterday

>> Yeah. You wanna you wanna get into it a

little bit if that's okay?

>> It's your show, man. You have to put out

the spoiler alert.

>> Yeah, I will. Uh, but okay, let's [ __ ]

it. Let's [ __ ] get into it. So, what

was your favorite um

character of the movie? And what did you

think about the movie uh at first

reaction after you left the theater

theater? Spoiler alert for everybody.

>> Cool. My favorite character was Emily

Blunt's character going into that. I did

not imagine that, but I thought her

acting and her performance was

outstanding. Some very difficult uh

acting in there, and I think she pulled

it off really well. I was really

pleasantly surprised, like, wow, that's

that's amazing. Um, my overall initial I

I made a little video, I put it online

on Instagram. My initial thoughts were

great. Look, it was Spielberg. It felt

Spielberg. It had that that feel to it,

you know, the John Williams soundtrack

in the scenes. It was just I I didn't

listen to the hype beforehand and I knew

that this film wasn't made for UFO nuts.

It was made for the general public. So,

I went in with that mentality and all of

that together combined worked and I gave

it a solid 8.5 out of 10. It could have

been a million other movies with a

million other beginnings and endings and

middles, but it is what it is. It's

highly entertaining, great on the big

screen. I recommend it to anyone.

>> Yeah. You know the because there were a

lot of expectations surrounding the

film. Um did you noticed that in the

trailer there was this mention of 7

billion and then in the movie they

mentioned 8 billion.

>> Oh, I didn't notice.

>> And and and in the trailer they said 7

billion and everybody started

speculating going like, "Oh, so there's

a million there's a billion hybrids or

something like that." And then he took

it out of the film like the seven

billion mentioned that was very strange

to me.

>> And no no mention of hybrids at all. Uh

after all, you know, it's it was just,

>> you know, they implanted the aliens

implanted uh telepathy and mathematics

in the kids and

>> uh but no hybrid talk at all.

>> Um I kind of expected that it was going

to happen and it didn't. Uh what do you

think about that?

Well, one thing I noticed is, you know,

they did an awful lot of media and press

and trailers and cuts, but I think they

used a lot of the same footage almost

entirely in all of their buildup. And

so, we saw the UFO emerging from the

clouds, and everyone like, that's the

UFO that's going to be in the movie. We

saw this huge triangle with this jet

fighter flying right next to it. We

thought, I thought that was going to be

in the movie different to how it was

because of that that ending where it all

plays all the videos on the screen.

That's a spoiler, by the way. Uh, do you

know what I mean? I thought this craft

would be in the movie.

>> Like,

>> so that was a surprise.

>> So, I was like,

>> were you not disappointed at that?

>> No, because look, it is what it is. Um,

I liked that I'd been conned slightly in

a way.

>> I was like, that's very clever. Good,

you know, because this, look, how many

times do we actually see the aliens in

the movie? Not really a lot. This is a

very humanentric film

>> and like look Spielberg's films are like

that. Look at the characters in Close

Encounters. Look at the the little boy

in ET. It's very much on them and the

aliens are the kind of co-stars and this

felt the same to me and I like that. It

doesn't you don't have to have an alien

in every scene. You don't have to have a

UFO in every scene. It's more about what

you can't see that that kind of made me

more excited. And so it works for me and

it might not work for other people. So

>> do you know who my favorite character

was? And I know that everybody's going

to say Emily, but for me, the anchor

lady at in the final act when she was

explaining everything that was

happening, her reactions were [ __ ]

like I was like, "This girl is going to

get a big role eventually." That was

good.

>> That's a good point actually. I remember

it vividly. Yeah. Her like how she

couldn't quite finish sentences cuz she

was shocked and stuff. Yeah, that was

pretty pretty powerful.

Do you imagine it similar to what

happened there? Do you think uh

something like that could be possible?

Which is why I asked you about the

current state of things?

>> I'd love for it to be revealed that way.

I'd be like cheering as if England had

won the World Cup.

>> I'd love, you know,

>> crazy.

>> Drop it all out there on the news. Yeah,

I'd love that so much, man.

>> When it comes to that

>> Yeah, I don't think so either. Who would

you think um would be like the the Josh

Corner's character in real life? Do you

think that would be sort of David Grush

in a combination with him and between

him and Dylan Borland of sorts?

>> That would make sense, right?

>> That does. They're the people that would

come to mind initially. Yeah. people

have worked in it, they know about it,

and you know, they've they've flipped

180 and they're trying to let the public

know and and and and Congress know to to

move this ball down the field and

>> for this information to to get out to

where it belongs in in the public

domain. Yeah. So, yeah, Dylan Ball and

Matthew Brown, Grush, those kind of

people. For sure. It was interesting the

way they use sigh phenomena in the in

the film too because um they do mention

experiencers. Um

>> and it's really interesting that

experiencers that are confirmed

experiencers cannot be messed with in

the mind. That's an interesting point in

the movie that I was like, "Oh, that's

that's cool." What do you think about

that? Yeah, because look, you know, the

movie start to end is a straight line

and then there's all these little things

from UFO law that are added in. And I

think they were all the right amount,

you know, but maybe they could have

brought experiences in a little bit more

after we realized the the initial man

and woman the experiences that it

focuses on. We could maybe talk about

others as well, you know, at the end or

something. I don't know. But it was

good. Uh I like the way they

incorporated the animals. Thought that

was clever.

>> You know, that was a nice little touch.

He didn't didn't have to do it that way,

but he chose to. And yeah, it worked. It

wasn't overly pushed on you. It was it

was subtle and every now and again, you

know, you'd see the cardinal, you'd see

the fox or the deer. I liked it. So,

yeah, I think all in all, I I I maybe if

I need to watch it another five times in

the coming years, and then I'll be be

able to kind of analyze it deeper. You

know,

>> there's a couple of things that I think

are slightly controversial in the film

that I would like to address with you

here.

>> Sure. U I'm so happy that you watched

it, man. I didn't I didn't know you did.

>> Day one, I had to get a ticket, man.

>> Yeah, dude. Yeah. So, for me, um for

example, this idea that

the humans are like the bad guys in the

film that are torturing

uh aliens and that's what made the guy

go forward. Um, if you speak to some

experiencers and some abductees or

contactees, not all experiences are

perceived as positive or neutral. Some

of them are negative.

>> Absolutely.

>> Um, how do you think because I I I do

think that there's some people that are

going to definitely mention this. Um,

do you think it was a good creative

choice from Spielberg or or maybe

because to me that proves probably that

he's probably not as informed as people

likely believed he was. I kind of

thought he was a little more informed

than that and that showed me that he's

really not. Do you agree with that?

>> No, I tend to disagree slightly and I'll

tell you why. Because I think he is

clued up on that. I think he does know

that. But look, his his films are about

wonder and amazement and and a lot of

positive things. So, he probably wanted

to portray the aliens in a positive way.

I think if he if he portrayed them in a

negative way as well, that changes the

whole balance of that movie because

again, it could have been done a million

other ways. I think he chose to emit

something like that to to make a to show

a positive message for the aliens. Um,

which is good because a lot of alien

movies historically, they're the bad

guys. They're the invaders, right? So

maybe this this was him changing the the

rhetoric for once. So I see that as a

positive in a way. I hope that

experiences that have had negative

experiences don't feel that he's emitted

it for any nefarious reasons.

>> You know I you see so much online this

film's a scup. This film is to

indoctrinate people to think a certain

way. It's a movie for entertainment

people. Come on. You know sorry I'm not

trying to

>> pee on anyone's bonfire but come on.

>> No.

I I I just thought that he was probably

like, you know, because he's talking to

Dan Farah. He he probably has like a

copout way of saying, "No, I don't talk

to anybody." And he probably truly

doesn't, but he does speak to Dan Farah,

who does talk to everybody, right? So

>> yeah, but like I say, if he' put if he'd

have put in negative aspect of

abductions and experiences

along with positive, it would have been

a whole different movie, different

story, different everything really. And

I guess he just chose to do this movie

the way he did it.

>> I think it has to be that way, I think,

because that's the story. Um,

>> what did you think of the grays?

>> Yeah. Not Yeah, pretty good. And you

know, the the the one at the end that

they wheeled out looked a bit different,

I thought, than the ones.

>> It was a tall gray, right?

>> Yeah. And the face and the head shape

and that I was a bit like

>> seemed really old of sorts, right?

>> It did seem old. Yeah. And it just

seemed like the head I I mean, I don't

know what they look like, but from what

the depictions that we've seen

historically, I would have thought he'd

have probably made it a bit more I was

going to say accurate, but again, it's

just interpretations. So, I mean, the

this is me nitpicking now, and I I I

don't need to nitpick really because it

didn't really take away anything from

the movie completely,

>> but other than that, the the smaller

grays in the film I thought were great.

Yeah, I thought they were really good.

The other controversial thing that I

think um we should discuss a little bit

is the religious aspect because there's

a lot of u symbolism and iconography

that Spielberg chooses um that may be a

challenge to people's beliefs in certain

religions specifically Catholicism and

some parts of Christianity as well. Um

there's a part where uh crucifix falls

to the ground. It cuts somebody in the

hand, you know, uh the woman uh the the

the lady the young lady who's talking to

the nun and she seems like she's

currently like at odds with her own

faith.

>> Um

>> what do you think that's how do you

think that's going to be received and

what was your perception of that uh

creative choice from Spielberg on

religion?

>> It's a great question. It's a difficult

one to answer. I could probably see it

in different ways. Could it just be a

nod to religion? Hey, check it out.

Aliens might might be here and, you

know, you might have to get on board. Or

is it going to be, you know, something

else to to make them feel more negative

about it? I don't I don't really know. I

could see it from different angles. So,

I'd probably have to ask different do a

little survey with some Catholics and

stuff and see what they think. But,

yeah, I don't know. It's it's a great

question. a hard one to answer.

>> Yeah. Um, okay. So, uh, let's move on a

little bit to what are you expecting

from everything that's going on right

now? Do you trust Trump? Let's let's

start with that. Do you trust him to do

this?

Let's be honest.

>> Well, I mean, I don't trust him as far

as I could throw him to be honest. But

look,

>> good. if if I think he's our best bet of

of any president in recent times to do

this. Maybe more for ego reasons than

actually caring about it, but hey, we'll

take it. If we get disclosure because of

someone's ego, doesn't matter to me. Let

him do it, you know. Um it was

encouraging again at the end of the

Grush thing when they mentioned I think

it might have been Luna that mentioned

they were having meetings with the White

House coming up soon. So it's good to

see that they got that direct line and

that direct communication and it's you

know it's not just being withheld in

this small group of you know the Senate

or the House or mainly the House I

suppose with the UAB caucus. So positive

encouraging again it's just another

little baby step in this big journey

that we've got ahead of us and I'm all

for any kind of forward momentum big or

small. So

>> what do you think will happen if this is

announced and it comes with the

evidence. Do you think

because you know there's always this

constant conversation of how humanity is

going to take it, whether we're ready or

not. Um I happen to think that we're way

too self-absorbed to care, you know,

like unless it affects us personally

like to our finances or people that we

care about. I don't think people are

gonna generally like react too too

widely. Uh but what's your feeling on on

if it happens? Let's let's

hypothetically say Trump gets into the

podium, a lot of stuff is released that

is

smoking gun. Um

what is your feeling on on how we are

going to receive it if we are?

>> Yeah, it's a a deep question, you know.

Um, look, we've started to hear from

people in financial institutes talking

about what, you know, the potential of

this kind of thing happening. There may

be market crashes, but these these

things always bounce back. Look at any

of the big problems that we've had in

the last hundred years that have caused

serious market crashes and things we

bounce back eventually. You know, will

there be panic in public? I I don't

know. Depends where in the world, who in

the world, their belief systems and

things like that. There'll be people who

go to work the next day who don't give

two dams about it. There'll be people

the next day wake up and realize that

they're in this whole new paradigm and

the onlogical shock will be kind of

maybe debilitating for a while. So

you've got each end of the spectrum

again on that. I think humanity we're

resilient. Look at what happened back

with the COVID a few years ago. You know

that was mayhem. It was the whole world

was upside down for a while but we

bounced back and you know it has taken

many years. We're still not I don't

think out of that because things still

haven't gone back to the way they were

and sometimes I think for negatives

still we're still in a bit of a bad way

but we always bounce back and we're

always on that road to recovery I think

and so catastrophic disclosure I think

it has to happen I think the thinking

process of saying are we ready I don't

think we'll ever be ready for big things

I think we have to show the resilience

that you know we've been given something

we didn't expect it's how we then act as

as a case that will show whether we

deserve to be here or not.

>> Yeah. Here here's another for you uh as

a followup to that one because you know

I've seen uh based on a lot of the

investigation that I've been doing I've

seen that some of the people involved in

the control disclosure uh specifically

scientists some people from the intel

world um some of them have things that

they're doing that they're not telling

others like uh you know companies they

have stuff like this right and it has

made some people think that uh they're

probably aware that this is going out

and they want to be like the first ones

to be there for whenever it expands

there's a technological boom all of this

stuff. Um but you know uh if you hear

for example to what Bernardo Castro says

about how materialism uh if this is in

any way going to happen there needs to

be like a paradigm change not just like

you know the onlogical shock there needs

to be a change of paradigm but a lot of

these people that are involved in the

movement they seem still and act still

as slaves of this paradigm and they

don't they don't even consider uh not

living in a capitalist world and an

economy that is capitalist. Um so

do you think it it would be a like

do you think we should change it? Do you

think we could change it this paradigm

or

could we just like adapt with the same

paradigm and and not disrupt too much?

Is that even possible?

>> It's hard to say if it's possible. Well,

I see kind of pros and cons for both

sides, whether it be controlled

disclosure or catastrophic catastrophic

disclosure. You know, think about I

think about the technology and what it

could mean to humanity following

disclosure. Is it just going to be

grabbed money grabbed by the big

corporations for to continue the wars

that we wage and that kind of thing for

for money making where the general

population doesn't change much. We're

still controlled. We're still slaves to

the monetary system and things like

that. Or

will it will it affect everyone in a

positive way? You know, free energy just

just the words themselves would be a

gamecher for the way everyone on this

planet lives. I'm not naive enough to

think that we just suddenly everyone's

going to be

>> poverty-free. But look, you know, look

at it from 50 years post disclosure, 100

years post-disclosure. If it's done

right, the world can be a much better

place. But I don't know which way it

would go.

I really

>> we probably won't be here if if

>> Oh, no. We won't be here, but our our

children and our children's children, I

think about that a lot more, you know.

Yeah. Will they be will they be in a

better place than we are now?

>> I don't know. It can go either way.

>> Yeah. Uh Oh, man. Um can I ask you about

the your favorite authors, man? because

um I know I know that you've like you

you spoke a number of times with Pulka

and her books are some of my favorite

but there's so many to choose from. So

when I asked this question it gives me a

better idea of where your headsp space

is at you know in the topic. So, um, can

you tell me which ones? Just like low

number just

>> Yeah, Valet stands out as all round

number one just because of how long he's

been writing and and that, you know, his

books are incredible for making me think

as well as just learn about the things

that he's written about. Um, it really

opens up my aperture to other areas of

the subject. Other than that, I say with

authors, it's more about specific books.

Look at Leslie Kane's book. You know,

UFOs pilots and Generals was a big big

game changer back in the day for me.

Pasoki, you mentioned American Cosmic.

That that that was amazing.

>> Wild book.

>> Wild book.

>> Exactly. Um I'm just looking down. I got

a big pile of books right next to me.

Look at uh George Nappen, Colum Keller,

you know, their books.

>> Skinwalkers on the Pentagon. Yeah.

>> Yeah. They're great. They're great

books. And so, you know, there are

probably new areas I need to read up on

more, maybe digging more into the

consciousness side of things. I have

been fairly straight down the middle,

nuts and bolts, or like I said, valet

can branch off into all sorts of

directions that Yeah. I mean, I've I've

got a backlog of books I need to read.

That's how rich this subject is with

literature. So,

>> yeah. Yeah,

>> you're you're more you're more nuts and

bolts, but you know, in Great Britain,

there's a rich history of like uh

fairies and the Druids and all this

stuff.

>> Um what what's your take on the whole

paranormal aspect of it? Because you

mentioned skin walkers at the Pentagon.

They talk about that a lot.

>> Um what's your feeling on that? What do

you think that is? You think that's part

of the phenomenon or do you think it's

like multiple things maybe and we just

are unaware? Oh,

>> I think I think there's got to be some

connection. To what level? I don't know.

Um I think every everything associated

with the phenomena that hides behind

this veil could be interlin in some

small way but behind the veil. That's

why it's so difficult to ascertain if

the paranormal and ghost subject has any

relation to the phenomena. You know,

when you think about aliens and little

green men and ghosts, they couldn't be

really be more separate. But there are

certain aspects of the phenomena like

Skinwalker Ranch and Poltergeist

activity where it's completely together.

>> Yeah.

>> So, for me, I think there's got to be

some interlinking somewhere along the

lines.

>> Do you know where I got like because I'm

I'm I've been struggling with this since

I started the podcast because I had

really weird experiences that have

nothing to do with aliens. Uh but for

example, when Jake Barber came out and

he talked about this feminine energy

that he felt um when I had my near-death

experience, I felt something very

similar and it resonated with me and

it's uh it it makes me do second

guessess myself when I'm doing this work

because um I know that there's a there

there because I've experienced something

really weird that I I'm still trying to

understand but there's also this

plethora of information from people like

Eric Davis and like scientists who talk

about alien races and all this [ __ ] and

I and I go like so I felt some of these

like experiences are very real. I know

that when I had my near-death experience

I certainly most definitely communicated

with something. I don't know what the

[ __ ] it is but I did. So I I wonder like

is this secret something non-corporeal

that people are interacting with

>> right

>> and and and governments also

simultaneously

may have like made some breakthroughs in

the 50s with physics that they

classified which has also been

mentioned.

>> Yeah. And that's where the deceit is,

right? This this and I think about this

constantly because um you know I'm

secondguessing everything that I that

goes my way. But how do you feel about

that?

>> I mean I suppose with the first part of

that that you mentioned there, you know,

who's to say that hundreds of years back

and thousands of years back, we were

more we weren't more in tune with the

phenomenon. We were able to perceive it

a lot more and we were able to control

our consciousness a lot deeper than we

do these days in this modern society

that we're we're kind of stuck with, you

know, this materialistic world that that

we've forgotten or we've lost this some

abilities maybe to to be more in tune

and connect with something higher than

ourselves, you know, and maybe that's

what happens in NDES that we're able to

go back there in these sudden moments of

trauma. I don't know. I'm kind of

spitballing ideas here, but you know,

things like that are the kind of

thoughts processes that I go off into

when when trying to connect the dots

between various aspects that seem

separate, but maybe they're not so

separate. And uh you know, and then the

physics thing. Yeah. I mean, the the

1950s, there could have been two

branches of physics. The one that we

know and this secret one that's branched

off and maybe has associations with the

legacy programs that we're we're

starting to hear about in more recent

times. It all fits in place in a in a

picture in my mind. Whether it's the

truth, it's a totally different story.

>> And you know, both both sides of it are

spooky though because if you see the

Chris Bledo family, they're surrounded

by spooks all the time. And you see the

whole Amy Esgridge stuff and the whole

like, you know, plasma physics and all

this [ __ ]

>> There's a lot of spookiness there. Um,

>> do you think that that the whole

scientist thing is related to the topic

or do are you one of those people that

doesn't want to correlate it with the

topic?

>> Yeah, I'm the latter. I don't want to

correlate it to the topic. I think it's

been I I've watched a few videos on it

and I've kept that to myself. I haven't

talked about it online or anything and

I've I can't remember what video it was.

someone laid out why people are trying

to link them all together and it you

know the the a lot of it is coincidence

unfortunately you know in my opinion I'm

not saying I'm right or everyone else is

wrong it's just how I approach it I

think you know a lot of these people are

missing their families must be

absolutely traumatized these people are

some of them have died some of them are

turning up dead like you know I I I in a

humane way I just cannot just go off

into these conspiratorial frameworks

that I've been seeing and and I have to

keep it at arms arms length, you know.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Uh Ross today said something

interesting though about Macasand that

he was working in uh for the last like

13 years or so he was working on some

really really really wild stuff with

plasma with a private company. So that I

think that he's he's like an outlier in

the whole group.

>> Sure.

>> Probably Raza too, right? But

>> the majority

>> But the majority I don't I I feel the

same way you do. It's like

>> they probably just something happened to

them that is separate from this topic.

>> Although still still spooky though. But

>> Oh, absolutely.

>> To the topic.

>> That's why I'm intrigued by it. But I

will definely kind of look into it

person on a in a private setting, not

online and and you know feed that that

beast that is the the chatter online

about it. I think it's I I I feel

disrespectful to the families talking

about it in these conspiratorial ways.

I'd rather keep it private. And you're

right, I think the masten thing is

separate and potentially the razor as

well. Look, we know that things happen

to people. Unfortunately, governments

have done things to people historically.

>> So, you know, I'm not trying to say that

it isn't that because I don't know, but

you know, I I just have to be cautious.

>> Yeah, I agree. Um, I wanted to ask you

about because I haven't had a chance to

interview anybody who's British.

>> Um, who has uh since uh Nick Pope passed

away and I know that you've spoken to

him a number of times. You probably had

a friendship with him. Can you speak on

what he meant to you as a UFO

researcher, as a British man, and what

the impact you think of his work has

been in the community?

>> Yeah. Yeah. And I I'll be candid. You

know, me and Nick had a tumultuous

relationship with ups and downs over the

years. Um, you know, Nick's early work,

uh, you know, he brought a light to this

subject. It's to so many people through

the the TV work that he's done. Uh, you

know, he he is a believer and that's

great. I think when you we a lot of

people have dug down into his position

at the MOD and it wasn't maybe quite the

Fox Mold the role that he portrayed it

to be. I have been lucky enough to speak

to people in British defense

intelligence who who had the clearances

and were doing the UFO investigations.

Nick was on the desk taking the reports

and passing them up the chain. You know,

it's that's a very basic way of saying

it. You know, I'm not trying to take

away anything from Nick there. Uh, you

know, he brought forward we first heard

about the Calvine case because of Nick's

1996 book. Things that have been brought

to light that have led to things

happening in the subject.

a great guy, really good speaker, really

knowledgeable, you know, he can speak on

any aspect of the subject and and and

deliver it in a very uh elegant way. Um,

you know, I had I've had beers with

Nick. Uh, great guy. Yeah, it's it's a

loss to the subject, you know.

>> Yeah, man. Um, and I hadn't like we did

a little something on Doomer Friday uh

about him, but I did want to speak to

one of his compatriots because um I know

that he did make a a major impact in a

lot of people from the UK. So, thank you

for sharing that, man.

>> No problem.

>> Yeah. Um, so just where do you see the

topic going uh over the next couple of

months or so? because it seems like it's

about to really really blow the [ __ ] up

and

>> could do, couldn't it? Yeah.

>> Yeah. But I mean, people have been

saying this for [ __ ] decades, right?

The same thing. So, um I I remember

speaking to Alan Lavine, who is a former

APRO investigator, and he was like, "You

got to understand, Pavle, in the 70s, we

were going to supposedly get like actual

materials, bodies so we could display

them at a [ __ ] museum, and they just

pulled their rock from us." Do you see

that happening again? or do you think

there is no way that we're like not

going to talk about this for some reason

anymore? Uh do do you think what do you

think is going to happen there?

>> Uh I'm I'm really terrible with future

predictions because I just I've never

been good at it. I I think when we hear

about future predictions it's I take it

with a big grain of salt. You know the

2027 2036. So couple of months I could

probably handle this question a little

bit better. It's like like we mentioned

earlier the the UAP caucus members of

the house and that are going to be

meeting with the white house. I hope

that that is uh in motion and and things

happen and meetings are had and some

information is released to the public

about how those meetings went and any

kind of action plan that's going to be

put into place uh as we look towards

disclosure in that direction. Um, other

than that, I just think the conversation

in the general public and hopefully the

media picks up because of things like

disclosure day. These are all things

that are all happening this year that I

think uh the timing is good for. I think

it legitimizes the subject, strips away

some more of the stigma. Again, very

positive. It allows the subject to

breathe and be able to progress, you

know, amongst uh people that haven't

been looking into it like me and you for

for many years. It might bring new faces

to the subject and that that evolution

of the subject I think is is always a

positive. I think it always helps move

the subject forward. It shows uh people

who maybe have got the secrets that

we're not going to stop. We're only

going to get bigger and stronger and

push for this. I think there's no going

back. Things might slow down. They

always do. You know, it's like a roller

coaster. There are big highs, but we do

have the dips. We have the lows. I

wouldn't be surprised if we get them. It

could be two months. It could be six,

could be 12 and so on. I I am I am an

I'm I'm an eternal optimist in life in

general. So I always try and think

positively when it comes to to this this

subject. So yeah, I think as long as we

get some kind of information that shows

to us that this subject is moving in a

positive direction, I'll be happy. And

and I think like just I'll just keep

doing my interviews, keep speaking with

people. That mindset of trying to be a

small cog in the big machine of

eupfology and disclosure makes me feel

good. Makes me feel like maybe we are

going to get disclosure one day and if

we get it great if not what a journey.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Still like what I say man is

the people you meet along the way is

what makes it worth it to me.

>> Yeah.

>> You know

>> and uh I can't wait to like meet with

all of you next year at contact again.

That was a a wonderful experience. It

was I I thoroughly enjoyed that Gerb

kept wanting to like compete with people

at different things and he always got

his ass beat.

>> Yes,

>> that's so funny, bro.

>> That was great. No, that was really good

fun. Actually, that was really good. Uh

sorry, Gerb.

So, um I I wanted to ask you a couple

final things uh that pertain to your

country because um

>> how familiar are you with the

Rendlessham uh UFO event from 1980? Have

you looked into it thoroughly?

>> Too familiar.

>> Yeah. So, I you know, I don't know if

you noticed, but I've been talking to

John Burroughs. I have a good

relationship with him and he has a very

specific account of what happened that

differs from everybody else's.

>> Oh yeah.

>> Um what is your take on this difference

of of accounts from this case? Uh

because for me it is still one of the

most important cases in UFO history in

my opinion. Something definitely

happened there. What I can't quite put

my finger on is whether it is what John

Burroughs claims, which is he thinks

that uh military personnel attempted to

make contact with something there and it

went wrong with some kind of directed

energy.

>> Um do you think that happened or you

think they're like something else

happened? Where where where's your

feeling on it on the case in general?

>> Great question. Well, I'm going to try

and keep this short and succinct, but

I've been obviously I followed this case

from the the day I got into this

subject. So, over 15 years of hearing

every kind of possible version of this

case and so where my head's at now,

there are three kind of tracks and

avenues that I see the case. John Burus,

Jim Penniston, Larry Warren. Now, the

Larry Warren side of things has been

hugely dismissed by a vast majority of

the subject, me included at this point.

There has been some proponents of him

being there and experiencing what he

did. You know, UK researcher Gary

Hesseline, you know, who I get on with

great, you know, but I don't agree with

on that side of things. Happy to be

proven wrong. Jim Penniston, the um, you

know, he he was always

fairly compelling, but the more you look

into the um the binary code thing that

he kept quiet for decades, a bit of a

red flag for me. Um,

Why wouldn't he talk about that straight

away if it's credible? Like surely

that's huge.

>> So that was a huge red flag. And then

when I

>> when I tried to interview Jim, he was

very standoffish, which

he didn't need to be. And I I didn't

take that too. I mean, I took it. I

didn't say anything to him, but you

know, I was like, okay, I'm not that

bothered now. You know, if you're going

to be a certain way. I don't know if he

was having a bad day.

>> John Burrus. Yeah. Now, I've spoken to

John. I've interviewed him and I've had

a few lengthy phone calls with him.

Haven't done for a couple of years. And

that story,

the way he goes into detail on it with

the the stuff that happened at Orford

Ness, which is on the beach area a few

miles away where these supposed alleged

um weapons were were based and

stationed. A lot of strange thing went

on there in Orford Ness.

Could it happen? Yeah, I mean it's it's

believable. There is no more evidence

though and I'm I struggle with just one

man's word.

>> Yeah.

>> Um

it's such a muddy case. It's been so

muddied over the years, you know,

>> the the the data on it, the data that's

classified on it in the Ministry of

Defense somewhere, who knows where they

keep it or or anything like that. That

that's what we need ultimately. And you

know, I think that's obvious. Um,

yeah.

I wish I wish there'd be more work done

on the case. I don't know how. That's

actually

>> that's actually a perfect segue to my

next question because

>> how how do you see the UK participating

in this process because so far it's been

crickets and I know you guys are dealing

with a lot right now in terms of

immigration and different topics but

like Brazil just came out with the one

of the presidential candidates with

Jesse Michaels confirming or saying

claiming that Virginia was real, colitis

was real. Uh we got the US uh showing

those documents that are mostly low

information zone at this point, but

hopefully they can release some more

stuff. Do you think that the the UK

would like get in the game if they see

more activity, like more convincing

activity, or do you not see that

happening at all?

>> I'd like to think they would. Look, we

follow pretty much everything that the

the US does, the the big brother USA. We

tend to follow suit. Now, I would have

liked to have thought we'd have followed

suit a bit quicker than we because we

haven't yet. I thought it might happen,

you know, following the the first round

of hearings a few years ago. I thought

we might start entering the conversation

at least and we haven't. But we you have

to look back historically, the UK was

very open about the UFO subject. We knew

that there were many things happening.

Reports were being made. The MOD were

looking into it. was very public. Um

the there was a trunch of UFO files

released in the UK 2000 I think it was

2006 7 and 8. Masses and masses of

incredible documents. I've been down to

the archives in London and trolled

through a lot of them. I' I've been

online to the ones that have been

digitized. Incredible cases there. A

treasure trove after that about 2008

2009

the line drawn under it

>> silent. dead silent. And now when you

try and ask them about it, they, you

know, we they just give some boilerplate

response that they don't believe in

extraterrestrial life and anything. Even

if you're not asking about that, even if

you're asking about unknowns or

correlations on radar, they

automatically they put it to aliens and

stuff like that. We're not asking about

that. You know, with the drone

incursions a couple of years ago over RF

Mildenhal, people were getting those

kind of weird alien responses from them

like, "Come on, they've got to be

involved still." I've spoken to people

in defense intelligence who have said,

"Look, the programs will have just been

switched around small departments in a

very compartmentalized manner so that

very few people know. No one in

government knows. It's all strictly in

the intelligence community here and very

likely no one's going to talk about it."

Um, and that's how I see it for now.

Unless

we do follow suit with the US

eventually, again,

who knows? Who knows?

>> Yeah. Yeah. Um, you know, it becomes at

a certain point

uh sort of suspicious that they're not

really doing anything. I I wonder if

many of these aerospace companies who

have a lot of power in in Europe

generally maybe are influencing this,

right?

>> Yeah, absolutely. There some of the

aerospace companies in the UK are very

very tightly connected to the Ministry

of Defense and the intelligence

community here. And look, you know, the

Five Eyes Alliance have always been a a

tight-knit group as well. when Arrow had

one of their meetings either a year or

two ago, we knew that there were two

members from Great Britain from the MOD

involved in that meeting. So, someone

somewhere is looking into it or dealing

with it to some degree to the point

where they're having five eyes meetings

and stuff. So,

you know,

>> I mean that that 71 document that David

Grush alluded to from Australia.

>> Sure. That was very eye opening because

even though they weren't talking about

ETSs, you know, it was like we're

talking about this seriously in the 70s.

So yeah.

>> Yeah. I mean again we were look at the

the work done on the the cond report

that was released in back in I think

about 2000.

It's incredible in depth about the

various types of of you know

investigations that were done how they

see the phenomena. It was very eye

opening and a lot of it is available

online. You don't have to be in the UK.

I urge people to check out the combine

report.

>> Do you think Calvin is uh like a

humanmade craft reverse engineered or

alien?

>> I it's 100% human um whether it

incorporates any technology, you know,

through back reverse engineering. I

don't know because of the way that it

apparently hovered silently for 10

minutes and then shot off vertically at

high speeds could point to that kind of

technology, but I don't know. But I've

heard enough

behind the scenes to to be very

confident that it's humanmade.

>> Pretty wild to have those shapes at that

specific time so early, right? Like

triangular sort of

>> uh you know square diamond shaped. Yeah,

>> definitely, man.

>> You know, I was part of the

investigations, part of the team that

released the photo. We've been working

non-stop since 2020. Well, before 2022

when it was released. Um, we hit so many

dead ends with the investigation, mainly

because of the age of the case and the a

lot of people involved have disappeared,

died. Um, but I I I still think we might

get more information in the future. And

you spoke to Logan, Lambo Logan about a

little bit about this, right? Because he

>> I No, I've not spoken with him directly

about it. I've heard his side of things.

Um

>> Okay.

>> Again, it adds to the story.

>> Weird that he saw it in in a different

day, but it was the same the same craft.

That was

>> Yeah,

>> that was pretty wild. Um okay. So I I

wanted to ask you finally um what is

your biggest hope for

this topic? Um yeah in general what is

your biggest hope?

>> Progress and I think I I say that not

only in progress to towards getting to

actual disclosure but progress in the

way that we interact with each other

online. And I know it's cliche and and

probably a pipe dream, but like

in the work I've done in this subject,

more gets done when people like work

together and understand that you don't

always have to agree with everything

everyone says just to be to to go

forward, you know.

Enough of the bickering. Enough of it.

>> I mean, yeah,

progress. Just progress. Just forward

momentum. That's all I can ask for

really. Um,

>> yeah, Vinnie, I want to thank you for a

wonderful hour of your time. Um, I want

to thank you for like popping my cherry

of sorts, you know. Um, uh, you're a

wonderful person, man. I I was very glad

to meet you in person, and I hope that

we can just keep doing this and keep

collaborating, um, in many different

things. Hopefully we can have you on

Doomer Friday sometime soon, man. We

would really love that.

>> I would love to speak to all you boys

together. That'd be fantastic. I'm a big

fan.

>> Yeah, man. Um, and guys, uh, you know

what to do. Please follow Disclosure

Team on every socials. I'm going to

leave them in the description. And let's

see who wins either England or Mexico.

Right.

>> Let's go.

>> Let's go. On World Cup opening day, we

got to speak, man. Thank you. Amazing.

No, thank you, brother. Really

appreciate it. Honor.

>> Remember guys, stay curious and

inquisitive like Vinnie Adams right here

from Disclosure Team.

>> Bye, Vinnie.

>> Bye, dude.

>> Second.